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It occurs to me that the Tea Party movement is the modern equivalent of keeping them barefoot and pregnant. Feeding and at the same time preying on ignorance.
edit: Oh, and Carlin would be SICK if he saw the Tea Partiers. He would call them bootlickers.
It occurs to me that you'all are the very Americans that Carlin was talking about when he said no one seems to notice ... no one seems to care. Fogetta about who has been in charge of this country .. if you're a dem .. you can say .. look what GW has done .. if you're a repub .. you say .. look what Obama Pelosi and Reid has done.
I say look what a crummy job both parties have done - I think that is what G Carlin was talking about .. maybe you should listen to it again. I guess you all like the status quo, the rich getting richer,more taxes, audit the fed .. no way .. bailout more banks .. sure whatever, back financial reform that GS endorses .. yes says the fox guarding the chicken house.
I got all that from the Carlin video, which I have seen in its entirety on HBO. Clearly he is saying that both parties are to blame and that we have no real choice. Agreed.
That said, I think the Tea Party was created as part of the lobbying effort of insurance companies (and others) to attack health care reform in particular and government regulation in general, on behalf of the industries which desire being rid of regulation. Mostly these are the very industry which need oversight.
If the feds who regulate that BP oil rig were doing their jobs making sure that safety equipment was properly installed and fully operational, that oil spill would never have happened. But Big Oil has lobbied mightily against federal oversight, which is partly why it wasn't being done.
So in closing, throwing in with the Tea Party is to say go ahead, BP, egg farms, coal mines, health care insurance companies, do whatever you want, we don't want a dime spent on oversight. Strip away the rhetoric and that is what they are about.
You can draw your own conclusions .. the tea party is not in charge of anything nor has it been .. you're looking for the same folks that created this mess .. made it even messier to clean it up .. HOW & WHY ... they are doing exactly what they are being paid to do by the lobbyists that sponsor them... things are great for them - same as it always was - there is NO accountability, as sheeple keep voting for their favorite party - not the individual. If you think the lobbyists run the tea party, I disagree with you on that point. Like GS and other Wall street entities doesn't pull the strings in the WH and congress - That my friend is what you should be focusing on not some grass roots party that might at best get 15% of the votes. Keep you eye on the ball - the MSM has done a grand job of distracting attention from what is really going on in DC... that is what Carlin was saying.
Here is a perfect example ... Dem rep bans cameras, recorders at SC debate...
Everyone soon will be required by federal law to have health care .. thank you Dems .. how is this going to lower costs ... why everyone now will have to feed the health care beast. People in health care are ecstatic - think of the potential - what most Americans pay more for now ... ALL of them will have to pay for in the near future .. think of the economic windfall for them. Yes you can count on co$t$ going down .. right .. like that will actually happen.
Isn't it obvious that if everyone had health insurance of some kind, it would save taxpayer's money (after all we pay for it when an uninsured person gets in a car accident or gets cancer).
We are required to have insurance on our cars but not our health, it really is a no brainer.
No it's not obvious ... if you never had it and have to pay for it ... that is more expensive.
If you think the costs will go down .. the you are thinking with the wrong side of your brain .. how often do costs go down .. really - be logical, not ideological.
Big T, we have been through this over and over. We are not talking some hypothetical world here. In this world, the one we live in, when uninsured people need catastrophic health care, they get it, then taxpayers cover most of the cost. It has been that way for ages.
If everyone had health care insurance, there would be a lot less of that kind of expense.
It really is as simple as that.
(And this isn't just my opinion, I have been to multiple seminars where nationally prominent physicians have said the exact same thing, even if they oppose specific parts of the reform, they agree with my comment above.)
You guys listen to the video and start pointing fingers at the tea party. Wow. The same clueless people Carlin is talking about, don't even see that they are being talked about or even begin to understand the point he is making. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
People hear what they want to hear .. many don't listen well.
The Tea Party stuff spilled over from another thread, but you do make a good point. I suspect that you are in the same boat, or should I say kettle, with your own conservative views.
I tend to vote for the dems, not because I think they are going to move the country in the right direction, but because I think they move the country in the wrong direction slower than the GOP.
Clinton gave us deregulation of media and banks, both with disastrous consequences, but the disasters really started coming fast and furious when the much more conservative Dubya came to DC. In other words, with Clinton we got a couple of really bad conservative ideas passed into law, but it was a floodgate of them with Bush. To me that is the difference, the Owners that Carlin mentions have more control over the GOP than the dems (controlling the dems is like herding cats, let's be honest). More control is obviously not enough for some of them, so they created the Tea Party for absolute direct control. (IMHO)
I am not in the same boat. I vote strictly third party, mostly Libertarian, but it is largely a wasted vote since the one ruling party, the republicrats/demopublicans run everything.
Carlin's point is that there is no choice in elections. The ruling party works for big business and Wall Street. Not for us.
The Tea Party is strictly a diversion. It means nothing.
I recently asked my friends' little girl what she wanted to be when she grows up.
She said she wanted to be President of the United States.
Both of her parents, liberal Democrats, were standing there So I asked her, "If you were President, what would be the first thing you would do?"
She replied, "I'd give food and houses to all the homeless people..
.Her parents proudly beamed
."Wow...what a worthy goal," I told her
."But you don't have to wait until you're President to do that.
Tell you what - you can come over to my house and mow the lawn pull weeds, and sweep my driveway, and I'll pay you $50. Then I'll take you over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward food and a new house
." How about doing something Wonderful like that?
She thought that over for a few seconds,
then she looked me straight in the eye and asked,
"Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50?"
I said,
"Welcome to the Republican Party."
Her parents still aren't speaking to me.
The kid is only half-way to the GOP, the rest of the story is that after the homeless guys starts cutting the lawn, you get a guy from Mexico to do it cheaper, putting the American guy out of work.
Gramps
Hey, Big T, it is my opinion, that when you hear something from the Tea Party, you are hearing a very direct message from the Owners that Carlin speaks of here.
I know we hear from them whenever a politician of either party speaks or when we turn on the news or read the 'liberal media.' but the Tea Party was set up to be a pure, unadulterated un-watered down direct from the horses mouth version of their message, which is;
"Don't spend tax money regulating business. Never mind the occasional oil spill or million pound meat recall, we got this, it is okay to let us regulate ourselves. We can handle it. Spend tax money more wisely, on incentives for industry, for example, or for Big Government contracts, preferably on projects with no deadline or oversight or expectation of results.